Day 670: Xenia, Tigger pods, and QT (FOWLR-HP)


Continuing 2 gallon water changes.  Finished filling the QT (more like temporary FOWLR holding pen).  It is my 30 gallon so it should be good for a tang.  Who knows, maybe it will replace the BC14 at my office one day.

30 gallon FOWLR-HP

Found some pumping Xenia (for “weeds” this stuff is hard to find).  Moved live rock from sump to the FOWLR-HP.  Acclimated it for 20 minutes for temp.  Then took out 3 cups from the bag and replaced with three cups from the tank every 10 minutes 4 times.  Then into the BC14 as the “holding pen” to watch for parasites before fragging some for PRP.

In preparation for Anthias as well as to make my wrasse, chromis, firefish and clown happy I got some tigger pods today.  Made a breeding ground from a 2 liter bottle with the top cut off and inverted back into the bottle.  Inside I put a live rock and a wad of loofa for them to crawl on.  Acclimated them for temp.  Salinity was a match.  Put some in the BC14 and some directly into the sump.

Big day – lots of stuff.  Looking good, trying to recover from the inexplicable loss of the Foxface Rabbitfish One Spot.

Day 669: Foxface Died – setting up a QT (of sorts).


The foxface died last night. I’m still mystified as to why.  I haven’t the foggiest idea why.  Everyone else is fine in the tank and his decline was startlingly fast.  He was eating aggressively on Thursday.  By Saturday about the same time he was dead.  No one else was introduced to the tank in the last 6 weeks.  Everyone else is fine, including the fish introduced 6 weeks ago.

Anyway – so I had been contemplating another Yellow Eye Kole Tang anyway, and I probably will.  The foxface rabbit fish are listed as reef safe “with caution” and after the dwarf flame angel going rogue and nipping at my SPS/LPS I vowed no more “with caution” fish.

So the population in the tank is pretty low right now given the dwarf angel is out and the foxface has died. I was thinking some ignitus anthias (three to five) and the Yellow Eye Kole  Tang.  I’ll run it by the message boards to see if the Hoeven’s wrasse will be too irritating for the anthias.

These set backs really bother me.  I love it when the tank is just humming along and looking great.  Now I’m back to getting new fish and since I’m skittish about the DT now and tang’s reputations about ich – I’m implementing QT protocols – with modifications.

I’m going to QT for a month, observe for signs of sickness. It will either be sink or swim in the QT tank.  I’m going to use LR (yes, I know you’re not supposed to, but that is because of treatment and I’m not treating there).  And eventually I’ll take out the LR as I sell it off and will just be the (then cycled) sponge/air filter.  We’ll see what comes into the stores.

Day 104: Happy firefish, prepping for coral delivery, thoughts on auto top-offs.


Nothing much to report – Banggai didn’t eat much today, but they did eat.  Firefish ate greedily, a good sign.  Tomorrow is thursday, so I’ll be prepping new water for a water change. I’ll need to prep more than the normal 10% water change incase the QT needs more water.  Instead of doing a typical 7.5 gallon w/c on the DT, I’ll continue to do 1 gallon water changes daily, using the water from the DT to put into the QT and pouring out a gallon of water from the QT.  Friday will be water tests on the DT and QT.  It should give me a better idea of how to proceed.

In the mean time I’ll still brainstorming on how to set up a top off system.  There is a predictable amount of water that evaporates (about a gallon a day) and one could set up a siphon or gravity drip system to put in a gallon a day.  The advantage would be that the water is added at a steady rate, but would require daily supervision and refilling anyway.  The true advantage will come when one can top off with RO/DI with Kalkwasser, but I need a container that uses the space more efficiently so that I can also include a w/c batch of water too. I’m looking at RV water tanks at the moment.  I can get some cheap from eBay and they are rectangular and even pre-plumbed with bulkheads.  I’m planning on using a gravity drip line for things such as carbon dosing at a later date. I can put hooks on the door to the sump that will hang pouches with diluted vinegar or vodka and drip into the sump.

That’s it for now.  I got the tracking number from Saltcritters.com so I assume by tomorrow I’ll have tracking info and a delivery estimation.  Very exciting!

Day 79: Weekly water change.


Did the weekly 10% water change on the DT today. No major hang ups.  The mark on the DT and the cook tank both match for 10%.  I used the water from the DT to prep 6 gallons of daily water change for the QT over the next week.  I’m getting pretty good at eyeballing how much 1.025 water in a 1g is needed to make 1.009.  In case your wondering filling the milk jug to just about an inch under the side sticker on most brands gets you pretty close.  Top that off with RODI and you’re good. The firefish still looks pretty darn happy, eating and hanging out.  I noticed that when things aren’t “right” in the QT he tends to hide more.

Coralline algae is going crazy on the back wall.  From week to week it is visibly larger and more spots!  Cleaned up lots of other spots in the tank too.  Still scratching that coralline on the front and sides to get it to spread.

I spent some time updating my stocking page, specifically the spreadsheet.  I included another sheet for corals I’m thinking about and where in my tank would be best to put them.  That’s about it.

Day 78: Continued frustration in the QT


The DT tests all read stellar:

  • 0 ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, phosphate (will stop testing for NH4+, NO2- until add fish).
  • temp before lights on at 78 (will add heater to sump again to prevent this swing).
  • pH 8.0
  • salinity elevated above norm at 1.027 (unknown why this swing happened over the last week?)
  • calcium high (one cap of supplement last week) at 520mg/L
  • dKH level at 9

QT water quality again looks abysmal.  I had good readings last week, but I apparently need to test more often.

  • Temp 78 (before lights on)
  • pH 8.0
  • salinity slightly elevated 1.011
  • NH4+ at .50ppm
  • NO3- at 10ppm

Did a 30% wc on the QT with water from the DT diluted with RODI to hypo – concerned about temperature change so I didn’t want to go much more.  Will continue with one gallon changes daily for a while.  Will have to test daily or every other day.  Added AmQuel per directions.

Again, this is reinforcing that the QT needs to be at DT salinity and for observation, not treatment only.  The water change could have been quick and simple at temp with no stress to the fish.  I’m very tempted to abandoned hypo early and return to normal salinity and implement the new observation only policy immediately.

I’m also tempted to make a big order of fish and introduce all to DT rather than even observe – yet that might make problems with the DT biofilter to add all that at once…  It’s all moot anyway, need to wait until September for $$ anyway.

 

Day 70: A saner way forward regarding QT.


So my situation has sparked a huge discussion on the use of QT on The Reef Tank.  Basically is seems to come down to two issues: resources and the belief about the disease trajectory.

Disease Process

On the QT side of the debate, the assumptive belief is that ich (and other things) are death sentences.  Once a fish (or a tank) has ich or some other disease, all other fish within that system are now tainted until cured through some active method on the part of the aquarist.  Unless that action is taken, then tainted fish become dead fish.  This makes a degree of sense because the disease organism is trapped in a box with a host and that the life cycle is assured and therefore will reproduce en mass until the fish succumb.  They believe that by doing QT for 6 weeks, treating anything that shows up, and waiting again for 6 weeks following whatever treatment ended will mean that they have pristine ich free tanks (and they are probably right, or functionally right anyway).

On the other side of the debate is that the living conditions of the fish are paramount.  Just like dysentery isn’t an issue with plumbing, air conditioning, Gatorade (or some equivalent), and soap for hand washing.  On the other hand, get dysentery when it is 100 degrees, you’re sweating out fluids, there isn’t soap to wash your hands and you continue to drink contaminated water and you’re dead.   This side believes that providing good conditions with ready food, protection from bullying and terrific water conditions fish will get better.  Additionally they believe that at the stocking levels tolerated in reef tanks (much less than in FOWLR or store tanks) that the disease organism isn’t assured of finding a host anyway, much less being successful at reproducing there. In summary – provide the best environment you can and if the fish doesn’t make it, it was probably too weak to survive treatment too.

Resources

On the QT side, the apparent requirements are to have an entire mirror system to the one you are setting up.  EXCEPT that you won’t have a good bio-filter system because you can’t use live rock.  Additionally any sponge you use will be “killed” once you use hypo or medications, so you’ll have to have another sponge after each treatment cycle (suddenly your sump is full of nitrate factory sponges). You’ll have to feed your fish well during this time of stress and they may be erratic in eating because they are stressed and sick (more water quality issues).  So you will have to test daily, siphon often, and do large 20-50% water changes on that system, probably daily.  Supposing you only had a small QT system, you’d have to QT one fish at a time, 6 weeks plus treatment (if needed) plus 6 more weeks.  This means that after a year of doing daily water changes (yikes on the cost of salt mix!!) you’re looking at having successfully added a MAX of eight fish, and presuming some you had to treat – more likely 4-6 fish.

On the “other” side – there is a recognition that being the reefing equivalent of a crazy cat lady isn’t practical for everyone.  For example.  I have a 75 gallon tank.  In order to stock 8 small fish, I would have to have a QT that is at least 55 gallons.  If any got sick I would have to either treat that whole tank, or move the sick one to ANOTHER tank (Hospital Tank =HT).  On top of that, fish and corals can’t QT in the same tank if there is any treatment to be done for the fish.  One could (as I was planning before I dropped one) have two QT  tanks at the ready at all times.  One for fish and one for coral, but then you’re looking at two tanks, two sets of daily water changes and of course you still have maintenance to do on the DT.  Suddenly every evening is being spent doing water changes, mixing new water, studying fish behavior, inspecting fish for “spots” and assuming you can diagnose correctly (I’m actually wondering now if my clownfish also had brooklynella as well as ich since my firefish is fine and was started on hypo at the same time) scoop out the sick fish, do dips, drops, hyposalinity and other treatments.

Sanity – a better way forward.

I’m now of the belief that it makes far more sense to set up a small, fully functional with live rock and all tank (i.e., my 14 gallon biocube).  This tank will be used to provide a safe haven for the fish to be added to the DT.  I will only buy young, small fish (regardless of adult size) that will be OK in the – what I’ll call, the observation tank (thanks Nate_bro). The observation tank will essentially be an extra BB “nano” reef tank – a grow out tank for fish and corals.  The live rock will provide the water quality needed to make water changes manageable and have it’s own CUC to handle the generous feeding portions.

The observation tank will be a sink or swim situation for fish.  Either they make it the 6 weeks and go swimming into the deep blue DT, or they get sick.  If they get sick they will either recuperate through convalescence or FW dips (the only treatment it can have since you can’t introduce a copper dipped fish to the LR and CUC).  If this is insufficient, then they won’t live – they were probably too sick to start with. If it appears there is a heavy infestation of something in the observation tank, then the CUC can be removed, the LR rinsed in a bucket of water from a water change and the tank “reset” fairly quickly.  After a “reset” I can switch to “QT” a coral or it can sit empty for 6-8 weeks until the life cycle of the disease is likely to have passed.  In this way I can “QT” both corals and fish simultaneously, and, with the biofilter of the LR, I can QT multiple fish (two, maybe three) at once – just like in a nano-reef.

Day 65: Bulkheads and Biocubes


I don’t feel like blogging, but I promised myself this blog would reflect the “reality” of setting up a reef tank… so here goes.  It will still be short.

I found bulkheads at the LFS, still need to get elbows to set the water height.  I’m cooking more water, trying to get the salinity set for a massive water change in the QT. I can start working on that this week.  I’ll try to include pictures of the process and final process.

Speaking of the QT, I picked up two biocubes.  They were in pretty bad shape with tons of cyano, algae, and about three inches of detritus soaked crushed coral in the bottom.  There were dozens of dead snails in the substrate.  So I set about cleaning them.  I rinsed them out and scrubbed off the algae.  I was rinsing them out getting the last of the crushed coral out when… I dropped one and it shattered.  So my grand plans for separate invert and fish QT’s are now shot and I’m out the cost of the biocube.  I’m also low on cash and need to get more salt mix. Apparently you can get replacement tanks for 65$ but the whole thing means that by the time I do that I will have nearly bought two brand new biocubes, and these are used 😦

Things in the DT are still good.  Still feeding, CUC still happy.  Fish in the QT are still good.  I asked for more information about “nitrate factories” on Reef Central.  My question was why are somethings (sponges, filter socks, etc) considered nitrate factories while live rock was not.  The summary is that…

The difference seems to be two fold, the deeper low oxygen area (nitrate to N2) of the live rock isn’t duplicated in the other places. In general it sounds like a “nitrate factories” simply means that the nitrate producing “stuff” can’t be easily removed by siphoning as it’s caught up the the sponge or whatever. Additionally, it sounds like I’m looking at the difference between fish and coral – fish are apparently a little more tolerant.

Tomorrow I’ll let the biocube bake a little longer to dry completely out before setting it up for the fish. I’ll try not to let my utter frustration with myself make any more costly mistakes.

That about sums up today – yech.

Day 60: Quarantine for Corals


QT land looks OK, not great.  Ammonia is at 0.25ppm, Nitrite is at 2ppm.  Doing another 20% water change tonight.  The fish seem none the worse for the situation though.  The royal gamma and the larger (female?) clown are doing some rubbing on decorations.  This can be a sign of ich, however, there are no white spots on the pectoral fins (where they start) or around the gills/face.  I also read that this can be a sign of water quality issues – which I definitely have.  I came to a decision to get another QT, a 14 gallon biocube – so I’ll be able to separate the fish and hopefully resolve some of this water issue pretty quickly.

Here is a picture of my royal gamma hiding in the decorations in the QT.

Royal Gamma

Quarantine for fish feels a little more like purgatory rather than quarantine; however, it is pretty straight forward.  If after 4 weeks they look and act much like they did when you put them in there, then you’re successfully quarantined (assuming you didn’t have to medicate in the meantime.) For corals it seems a little more difficult because 1) there is little “behavior” to observe, 2) the effects of parasites can be subtle and take a long time to develop and 3) different algae issues can be present (bubble algae for one).

This link at Melev’s Reef is a good starting place for learning how to quarantine corals.  It clearly isn’t the 4-8 weeks that it takes for fish. Still, I’m a little concerned about how long it takes for algae again like bubble algae, or aiptasia/majano anemones.  In my experience in the DT it looks like bubble algae shows in about 2-3 weeks, aiptasia in about 3-4 weeks.

In that link on Melev’s Reef, it notes using Interceptor, which took me a while to figure out. Yes, it is the familiar dog and cat de-worming/prevention medicine.  I searched about and found on ManhattanReefs.com this…

“If it is for killing red bugs it is 25 mg per 10 gallons of actual tank water. Each tablet is 1 gram with 23 mg of Interceptor. Just take one tablet and grind it up to a fine powered and dissolve it in 500 ml of RO/DI water. Then take 12.5 ml of that water which is about equal to 25 mg / 10 gal. If we amuse [sic] you have 50 gals net water, then 12.5 ml x (50 /10) = 62.5 ml for 50 gal net water.”

After that a ReVive treatment (10$)  is suggested (as on bottle), then Tropic Marin 20$ (again, as on bottle).  Other than that, watching carefully to find and remove via tweezers any other life (starfish, crabs, snails, whelks, etc).  The coral can put put on a pedestal with some meat in the corner of the QT to lure out any crabs and such too.

Day 51: Monitoring for Marine Fish Diseases


Well, after some disappointment (one store suddenly sold out of everything on my list in less than 24 hours?!?) I finally got the first batch of fish!  This includes a goldenhead goby, royal gamma, two Amphiprion ocellaris (clownfish), and a firefish.  When I got them home I found out that the QT heater had gone haywire and increased the tank temperature to 95 degrees!  Using ice baths in pitchers I brought down the  temperature and replaced the faulty heater – thank goodness that happened before I put in the fish!!

I cut four pieces of one inch PVC pipe into 4-6 inch pieces and added them to the tank for the firefish, goby and gamma to hid in.   Right now the firefish is the only one using them. The gamma and the goby are hiding in the boat decoration.  The clown fish are not hiding at all.  As I’m keeping the system low stress getting pictures of the fish without lights is hard.  I’ll just let them keep hiding.

To acclimate, I combined several bags from the pet store, separating the goby and firefish.  The pet store water was at 1.025 so I acclimated the fish to the initial QT salinity of 1.020 by exchanging 1/3 of bag water with hypo water from QT every 15 minutes for three cycles. They probably would have been fine straight into the tank, but I’m a cautious type. 

So now the three week QT process begins and of course it isn’t just a period to keep them separate.  The point is to make sure the fish are not stressed, are symptom free and feeding well.  Disease symptoms  to watch for include…

  • ragged or rotting fins
  • scrap up against objects
  • rapid respiration and gasping for air at the surface
  • lethargy
  • refuse to eat, emaciation
  • fading or darkening colors
  • heavy slime
  • skin lesions, or scale loss
  • clouded eyes
  • pale gills
  • whitish, warty or lumpy textures like a cauliflower
  • erratic swimming
  • velvet-like patches
  • dark spots over the fins, gills, and body

Typical diseases to watch for include bacterial infections such as fin rot, viral disease such as cauliflower, fungal diseases such as ich, and parasitic infestations such as marine velvet.  Clownfish are also susceptible to brooklyella.

Treatment of course depends on the disease, but generally reduced stress through isolation, well fed, and low light is needed.  Also low salinity, higher temps and possible fresh water dips.  There are a variety of medications on the market to address things like fin rot and ich.

References

http://www.saltwater-aquarium-online-guide.com/fish-diseases-and-treatments.html

http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/ichparasiticdiseases/a/aabrooklynella.htm